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Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 874	Posted - 2015.02.09 16:31:58 - [1] - Quote Story time: I know of an almost completely female alliance and a few separate female corps. They generally, quietly do not invite randoms and keep men closed out. I came across them through Second Life. I have a friend from years ago that I met in EVE. Completely forgot she is a woman and convinced her to join our alliance. I did a bit of a double take when I heard her on comms. Offered to get her into the above mentioned female only alliance. She declined and is doing fine because she works in a male dominated industry. So, you want to know why there are so few women that you come across? ... because of you. Well most of you. All the combat gets your testosterone levels up, so you all argue, swear and joust with your e-peens and they have no interest in that. (I even know a few women that use voice synthesisers to sound like men and avoid the "ti.ts or gtfo" type of behaviour.) CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 874	Posted - 2015.02.09 16:55:35 - [2] - Quote Thorn en Distel wrote: Elenahina wrote: Part of it may the fact that a girl in teamspeak is generally enough to reduce corps of grown men to teenagers in a **** measuring contest. I imagine it's amusing at first, but I expect the novelty wears off after a while. It may also be that fewer women find the game appealing for whatever reason. I'm a female gamer and sure, there's things that tick me off about the incredible immaturity that goes on in some voice chats. That, however, is sadly universal to MMO's, including the fact that a lot of men apparently don't believe women play MMO games, let alone engage in PVP. There's different ways of dealing with this, and most of us find one way or another. So no, I don't think that explains the lack of interest in EVE. I do not think the explanation is a fear of women of 'hardcore' gaming/PVPing or losing stuff when killed. There are other games with harsh PVP conditions, and I've seen more women there than seems to be the average here in EVE. Part of it may simply be a lack of interest in science fiction. Women are conditioned by western society to be less interested in hard sciences and mathematics and more interested in the 'soft' sciences. Part of it may be the fact that most women like communities and social interaction. Having an environment where you cannot even trust your own corp mates is a strong disincentive to playing. / thread CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 875	Posted - 2015.02.09 17:07:54 - [3] - Quote Celestia Via wrote: Leannor wrote: Thorn en Distel wrote: [quote=Elenahina] Part of it may be the fact that most women like communities and social interaction. Having an environment where you cannot even trust your own corp mates is a strong disincentive to playing. This! General assumption of trust and being sensible, and reliable (aka mature) is missing in much of EVE. ... agreed, as i mentioned above, but community is made up by the individuals. How can we have better community and social interaction without women to help us? You cant expect men to simply change and be better all by themselves, nor can women expect to find a great community laid out for them without taking interest in it and working towards making it better. Mature well advertise corps and alliances that kick the immature guys out will attract women. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 875	Posted - 2015.02.09 18:07:45 - [4] - Quote Lupe Meza wrote: Celestia Via wrote: Quote: I don't know how I feel about this statement. Please try to understand that this statement is not directed towards any individual but towards the social result you get when you group too many males to females in one place. As single people, most men can be great people, but put them all together in the same place and what do you get? EvE online. :P unless the male group is under strict honor or discipline code, the army for example, I dont believe you can argue that male-only groups are socially dysfunctional. That be an interesting social experiment actually, put a group together dominated by women with a male minority and see if it turns out egalitarian and fair particularly in respects to that male minority. I wonder if it has already been done actually. Is abuse of "faux" authority and power of the majority a truly gender issue or a human one. I don't know one way or the other, I'd genuinely be curious what the outcome would be. Seen it. Though it had structure so not perfectly natural. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 875	Posted - 2015.02.09 20:41:41 - [5] - Quote Kestral Anneto wrote: Celestia Via wrote: Kestral Anneto wrote: why does more women in game automatically make it better? and dude, i'm married, i dont get laid hehehe aight, i tottaly understand the need to escape our wives and be part of a men-only activity, but cmon, you cant claim women dont make our lives better in general.. if that was true, why are you married in the first place? Honestly? To make sure that my kids are raised right, and that I love my wife. But no, I disagree, the percentage of male to female scientists etc that develop the things to make modern live better is extremely slanted to the male end. Women nuture, men inovate. To get into the specifics of this, generally men have larger brain volumes and thinner corpus collosums. This allows their brains to more easily specialise into abstract thinking. It also makes them more prone to delusions of grandeur as they can favour one side of the brain over another. Women's fortes lie in communicating emotions, being peace makers, multiple languages, multi-tasking and any physical activity that requires a superior strength to body weight ratio, such as rock climbing or rowing. Being naturally better with a hammer, bashing things with it and making a lot of noise doesn't mean you are better than the person who is naturally good with the screw driver. You just make more noise. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 875	Posted - 2015.02.09 20:50:55 - [6] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Nope, it happened. The last guy that said "hur dur a w0man m8k me a sammich" in fleet with me got a swift podding. First post of yours in a long time that I have really enjoyed. +1 CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 879	Posted - 2015.02.10 02:19:38 - [7] - Quote Jenn aSide: I have done this. You will do this. One day, you will go back over posts you wrote years before and ask yourself, "What the hell, was I thinking?" Now, why not stop spinning circles and let others talk for awhile? CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 880	Posted - 2015.02.10 02:37:42 - [8] - Quote Kiryen O'Bannon wrote: You may have noticed that no amount of posting by one person prevents anyone else from posting De-rails / flaming / trolling --> lock. Yes, it can prevent people posting and it is deliberately taken down that path, often. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 880	Posted - 2015.02.10 02:50:39 - [9] - Quote Kiryen O'Bannon wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Kiryen O'Bannon wrote: You may have noticed that no amount of posting by one person prevents anyone else from posting De-rails / flaming / trolling --> lock. Yes, it can prevent people posting and it is deliberately taken down that path, often. Which was not the claim made. What was stated was "Now, why not stop spinning circles and let others talk for awhile? " I'm not sure what "spinning circles" is supposed to be, so that quote essentially amounts to "stop saying things I don't like." and has nothing to do with getting the thread locked. Also, Jenn aSide is not trolling, flaming, nor derailing the topic. Spinning circles, talking in circles, what we are starting to do. Wasting people's time reading our drivel that goes in circular conversations where the people expressing their opinions will never agree and continue to do it so many times and in so many posts that anyone else, who has a life, will not read all of it and not even bother posting because it will simply be drowned out. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 880	Posted - 2015.02.10 03:14:39 - [10] - Quote Kenneth Endashi wrote: In a realm where Darwinism is the dominant theme, I find it interesting that it is not left up to our society to evolve out those traits naturally. Religion is too closely linked with a functioning society. One can argue that without religion, we would still be eating each other and killing one another on a whim. However, we do have laws, community centers and such that largely replace religion. It is that people want to believe that they have a meaning, a purpose and a divine right that will perpetuate religion and help us to draw more and more lines between us and them until we are in the size of tribe we feel most comfortable. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog

Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 880	Posted - 2015.02.10 03:41:52 - [11] - Quote Celestia Via wrote: Kestral Anneto wrote: What I don't understand is ... back-stabbing b@stards tbh it just seems to me you want to argue about anything, no real opinion in any of them, only disagreement. http://www.flamewarriorsguide.com/ CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 882	Posted - 2015.02.10 13:00:24 - [12] - Quote This is coming from a few pages back but I thought I should say it before I lose my train of thought: There seems to be a few people not quite following each other's plots, the arguments seem to run along these lines, "I am a woman and tend to stick to women only corporations and alliances because men are immature." "We aren't immature! You are demanding that we change EVE!" "Just telling you why you do not have many women on comms" "Get out!" "Oh my gosh! They don't want women in EVE!" "No! We don't want women trying to change EVE!" "Wait. Hang on! Women don't want to change EVE. They just want to find groups within EVE who are mature and won't keep trying to have comms sexy time with them." "No! No! No! We must stomp this thread into the ground! If CCP see this they will have people reporting us for sexual harassment to the GMs everywhere for everything!" "This game is already getting too much like Second Life with all the paint and clothes for sale!" "Yeah! They want to break up my group of friends where I can be a raging thirteen year old while in my fifties!" "No. You can keep your group of friends. Just saying, if you want women in your groups, you need to behave a certain way." "Nevah! Not listening to you! Lalalalalalal" .... and so it goes on and on. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 883	Posted - 2015.02.10 13:24:33 - [13] - Quote Kaely Tanniss wrote: Rain6637 wrote: My ex-wife is still suuuper mad at me, even though she's the one who decided to run off and start seeing other people. I was away at the time, in the Army (at flight school, in fact, which the timing of it still confuses me). She's so mad, that every time we talked to take care of official matters (records, legal documents), every other word of hers was an insult or swear word. Not sure what inner dialogue she has going on, to convince herself she's the victim in all this, but I'm sure it's golden. So. Personally, caring about the gender of people who play my favorite video game really doesn't make sense. I'd like to keep it gender neutral and interact with people within the bounds of the video game mechanics, regardless of gender. Really. I'd prefer to not know. Understandable. Personally, I don't care who knows...besides, once you get on coms, it all comes out anyways. Most people who have never been on coms with me either don't know or don't believe it and I don't care. My sex doesn't effect my ability one bit. As far as I'm concerned, we are all just fish in the same pond. Done some acting in my time. I am pretty good at mimicry. I just have to practise some lines and I can sounds like a woman to many guys. (If I go off script and have to pronounce unpractised words or I get emotional in some way then I start to slip and drop words but I know there are better mimics than me.) I can even look like a woman. Then there are voice synthesisers that work directly on modulating your sound driver. You can also pretend to have a broken mic. The only critical thing about comms is listening to the FC. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 886	Posted - 2015.02.10 13:33:48 - [14] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: I think the length of discussion on this topic proves that there hasn't been anything of much interest passing through GD. I like guys in EVE. People are extremely polite and on the average more intelligent than people you run into at the local Starbucks. I have two older brothers and I've been teased, hair pulled, sat on, some of my dates hit on, my toys broken, you name it for most of my childhood. And I love my brothers to death. A picture of a gaping orifice in fleet or "off" comments would be tame in comparison to things I'm used to. But my experience has been, over and again, that people in EVE are extremely nice and generous to a fault. Even negative experiences have turned out to evolve and change and mature. Your parents might have been more strict and instilled proper respect into your brothers. --- A Texan walks down the beach, kicks a coke bottle and out pops a genie. Genie says, "Looks man. I failed at school, so I can't give you three wishes, only one big one." "Weeeeell I awlwAAAaaays waAANNnttaad a hIGHway frooom hEERee tOOO HaWAAIiiiieee tOOO dIIVVee mAAA truck th're" "If you are saying that you want a high way from Texas to Hawaii, that is a pretty tall order. Is there anything else you might prefer." "Weeeeell I awlwAAAaaays waAANNnttaad ta unDEErstAAANnd thEEM womEEEns folk." "Will that be two lanes or four?" CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 886	Posted - 2015.02.10 14:09:53 - [15] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Sibyyl wrote: I think the length of discussion on this topic proves that there hasn't been anything of much interest passing through GD. I like guys in EVE. People are extremely polite and on the average more intelligent than people you run into at the local Starbucks. I have two older brothers and I've been teased, hair pulled, sat on, some of my dates hit on, my toys broken, you name it for most of my childhood. And I love my brothers to death. A picture of a gaping orifice in fleet or "off" comments would be tame in comparison to things I'm used to. But my experience has been, over and again, that people in EVE are extremely nice and generous to a fault. Even negative experiences have turned out to evolve and change and mature. Your parents might have been more strict and instilled proper respect into your brothers. I grew up in Watts. My brothers helped me survive it as a complete outsider. They named me, they changed my diapers and fed me. No one who wasn't us was allowed to touch a hair on my head, as far as they were concerned. Life is more complicated than a respect on/off switch. People who insist on that are ignorant of the world (which was Jenn's point). I grew up in South Africa and Zimbabwe. You try cycling through an industrial area, that borders a township in South Africa, back and forth every week day, while being caucasian and tell me again about survival. I know a guy, his parents died of AIDS and left him a young brother who also had HIV. He was 13 and his brother an infant. He sold newspapers on the street, had no one to help him at all and from the papers taught himself English. Worked his way up and became a pharmacists. His brother is one of the oldest living children born with HIV in that country. He always has and still has proper respect for women. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 886	Posted - 2015.02.10 14:29:11 - [16] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: If pulling hair and being pinned down in and of themselves are disrespectful then I suppose I'm quite confused. I don't see what being infected has anything to do with that. Edited post to clarify. Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Notice the typical pattern of the serial liar. When confronted, escalate to an extreme degree, and hope that it's so extreme that no one will call bullshit on the story. Bonus points if the excalation improves the liar's claim to victimhood. Go ahead, do some research http://i.imgur.com/MwYFwyt.png last time I looked at it on street view it looked like a Sunday, all nice and quiet, nothing to concern anyone. At the very least, I have some local knowledge which throws your claims of me being a liar into question. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 886	Posted - 2015.02.10 14:43:18 - [17] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: Rain6637 wrote: lol. Lies. You know perfectly well what you started (and I emphasized) when you said you grew up in Watts. I've seen you mention your military past a few times. Any one of your tours comes with hazards I can't even imagine and would probably never survive. We mention these things not to brag but because it frames our mindset for other people without having to write down a ton of details. In any comparison of my life to someone else's I'm perfectly content being the lesser of the two. I think you know that about me. +9000 CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 887	Posted - 2015.02.10 15:47:36 - [18] - Quote This is getting out of hand. I am not a victim. The only scars I have from conflict and people trying to mug me are on my hands. I left South Africa, I had to eat almost only peanut butter and jam sandwiches for two years to save up enough to afford to get out but I am out and good riddance to it. This is Africa to me : A guy dies and goes to heaven. He gets the tour, harps, clocks and angels It is all very boring. So he has a bright idea. "Hey! St Peter, I want to go to hell!" "What?!" "Yeah, I want to see what it is like then I come back with more options." St Peter gets God on his phone, talks about the irregularities and God is very understanding, giving him amnesty in advance to do it. He goes to hell in the cosmic elevator and it is the greatest party Vices, sex, orgies, drugs, alcohol, women, you name it, they have it Cheese! Everywhere and on everyone, long stringy, delicious pizza cheese He crawls out of there before midnight and passes out in the cosmic elevator after pressing the number to go up He wakes up the next morning and is hung over but happy. He tells St Peter, "I am going to hell! I want to stay there." "Are you sure?" "Yes" So after sleeping on it for another night, he goes back down When the doors open it is fire, whips, torture, mutilations, scat and all the horrors. He sees the devil and goes up to him, "Hey! What is going on? Where did the party go?" "Yesterday you were a tourist. Today you are a local." (... another clue for you. Victims can't joke about it.) CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 887	Posted - 2015.02.10 16:13:54 - [19] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: This is getting out of hand. I am not a victim. The only scars I have from conflict and people trying to mug me are on my hands. I left South Africa, I had to eat almost only peanut butter and jam sandwiches for two years to save up enough to afford to get out but I am out and good riddance to it. Says "I'm not a victim", then goes on to recount the peanut butter and jelly based epic struggle that was endured to escape the place where he or she wasn't a victim. Makes perfect sense, no irony detected. Correction: "Mentions the steps it took to get out of the bad situation." CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 888	Posted - 2015.02.10 16:33:28 - [20] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: This is coming from a few pages back but I thought I should say it before I lose my train of thought: There seems to be a few people not quite following each other's plots, the arguments seem to run along these lines, "I am a woman and tend to stick to women only corporations and alliances because men are immature." "We aren't immature! You are demanding that we change EVE!" "Just telling you why you do not have many women on comms" "Get out!" "Oh my gosh! They don't want women in EVE!" "No! We don't want women trying to change EVE!" "Wait. Hang on! Women don't want to change EVE. They just want to find groups within EVE who are mature and won't keep trying to have comms sexy time with them." "No! No! No! We must stomp this thread into the ground! If CCP see this they will have people reporting us for sexual harassment to the GMs everywhere for everything!" "This game is already getting too much like Second Life with all the paint and clothes for sale!" "Yeah! They want to break up my group of friends where I can be a raging thirteen year old while in my fifties!" "No. You can keep your group of friends. Just saying, if you want women in your groups, you need to behave a certain way." "Nevah! Not listening to you! Lalalalalalal" .... and so it goes on and on. Look, what ever the exact reasons are, they are obviously women's fault. I don't think anyone here is disputing that. But how can we help these silly girls out of their error and into enjoying EvE? I have an idea that involves a chair bolted to the floor, some chains, a whip, few electrical devices. I am sure we can teach them to enjoy EVE just the way it is! CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog

Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 888	Posted - 2015.02.10 16:37:10 - [21] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: If I have no reason to complain (and I don't, I was never a slave and I wasn't alive in the Jim Crow era, I live in a time where MERIT decides what happens to me), YOU have even LESS reason to complain/claim victimhood than I (or sybil) would if I (we) were so inclined" I get that perhaps English might not be your 1st language, but try reading the underlined part again. Yup. Sorry guys. I can't find a chip on Jenn aSide's shoulder. Not one. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 889	Posted - 2015.02.10 17:02:34 - [22] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: If I have no reason to complain (and I don't, I was never a slave and I wasn't alive in the Jim Crow era, I live in a time where MERIT decides what happens to me), YOU have even LESS reason to complain/claim victimhood than I (or sybil) would if I (we) were so inclined" I get that perhaps English might not be your 1st language, but try reading the underlined part again. Yup. Sorry guys. I can't find a chip on Jenn aSide's shoulder. Not one. So wait, you're somehow a victim of reverse racism so much so that you had to endure delicious peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for 2 years just to escape mean black folks in a majority black country, and saw fit to mention this on a video game forum, and yet somehow I'm the one with the chip.... Incredible. I am not a victim. I got out. Shorter sentences help you? Trouble reading? I underline also for you. I bold for you also. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 889	Posted - 2015.02.10 17:11:18 - [23] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: I have an idea that involves a chair bolted to the floor, some chains, a whip, few electrical devices. I am sure we can teach them to enjoy EVE just the way it is! Where can I sign up for this? Hahahahaha. If you mean it at all ... you could start by joining my alliance. Then we can go from there ... I feel like a masochist because I keep playing EVE. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 889	Posted - 2015.02.10 17:49:55 - [24] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Nobody would end up feeling like a women ... If I could get the attention from women that I get from gay guys, my life would be perfect. I might not understand completely but there are experiences that can get us part of the way there. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 890	Posted - 2015.02.10 18:21:31 - [25] - Quote Quote: Jenshae Chiroptera > x - up with offered ship if you want to try gate camp (red) x - (ship) G > any of these newts hostile? S > X (ship) G > i dont see anyone named that G > is it possible for you to type a full sentence? Jenshae Chiroptera > S, ignore G G > Jenshae Chiroptera ** off S > :) but yea i wasnt responding to you i was responding to jen Jenshae Chiroptera > G. No. I won't. G > Jenshae Chiroptera you've really turned into a disrespectful f-tard....try showing a little more respect T > ermm whats going on here. T > No need for Vulgar language. G > i just a little tired of Jenshee telling ppl to ignore me when im trying to get itel Jenshae Chiroptera > G I can't tell when you are trolling or not, so I don't take you seriously any more. G > Jenshae Chiroptera so if im not talking to you then just stfu pls, ty Jenshae Chiroptera > No G I won't. It looked like you were goofing around again while I was trying to form a PVP response to (red) Jenshae Chiroptera > Now I am totally distracted. Can't care less and going to go give the cats a snack. G > Jenshae Chiroptera wanna talk * get on comms and do it like a man then you wont be making ur self look like a idiot.....I tired of you disrespecting me in front of new players.....this is going to escalate if you dont watch your step A > Jenshae Chiroptera it doesnt matter if you think G is trolling or not......its not your place to tell others to ignore him......ignore him yourself S > G > is it possible for you to type a full sentence? who was that aimed at? Jenshae Chiroptera > G if you want to get all macho about stuff, I can give you my address and you can come "man-to-man" about how tired you are of my bullshit. As for people ignoring him - he can ask for intel in the intel channel. I was trying to... Jenshae Chiroptera > .... get people to PVP and he was blabbing away to a friend (friendship that pre-dates this alliance) about typing in full sentences. Jenshae Chiroptera > So, I was basically saying, "S don't be offended. G trolls a lot" Someone tell me again how EVE is not** drowning in miss placed testosterone? CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 893	Posted - 2015.02.10 18:40:17 - [26] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Someone tell me again how EVE is not drowning in miss placed testosterone? Oh and S logged off early as a result. Is that person supposed to be representative of men in EVE? I would advise you don't draw that comparison. It is unfair to the vast majority of guys in EVE who are nothing like that. I'm telling you because i made a similar logical fallacy in a related argument. It's an unfair thing to do. Not trying to paint every guy as being G. However, this is one example where aggression runs high. I have played a variety of other online games, WoW (for as long as I could stand it with an ex), Lost Chaos, Perfect World, Anarchy Online, Dungeons and Dragons Online and so forth. I have also spent time in Second Life (mostly playing Go, sitting on a beach talking to friends in private messages, sailing or hot air ballooning) and I have to say that except for some FPS games, I have never encountered so much easy to tap hostility and male drama. I am saying, that to answer the OP. It is the conduct of men, that is why women are so few in this game. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 894	Posted - 2015.02.10 18:49:26 - [27] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Let a jerk be a jerk. Nothing, like paving the way for the bystander effect by helping to change the way people think, right? CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 894	Posted - 2015.02.10 19:42:04 - [28] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: I have a slightly different take than Jenn to that post. Kiryen O'Bannon wrote: Female sensibilities are not more important than male ones. Females are just as likely as males to engage in immature and objectionable behavior - just of differnt types. The ability to get away with pretending one's feelings must be protected because of ehat's in ones pants is one of the privileges of being female. The right to say something offensive, as much as it is a right, doesn't have anything to do with a "sensibility". A person can say all manners of offensive things they want, but it's hypocritical of them to be surprised when the hammer comes down as negative feedback. The problem for some of the worst offenders in chat is they believe they have the implicit right to say whatever they want without verbal retaliation. We may disagree on what's offensive, but to be honest most adults playing EVE are smart enough to figure out what they're saying is insulting to someone or not. I believe you have every right to use that insult, but I also believe that opens the door to anyone else freely insulting you back. I feel that people shouldn't create that situation by being insulting and offensive. It's a simple enough rule to abide by in 2015. +1 I would like to interject at this point that political correctness can go too far. In the United Kingdom it is now illegal to be rude to someone or offend them by law. This is utterly absurd and speaks to a very messed up culture. You can't make something subjective a law. How do you quantify it? Does the victim simply say they are going to be scarred for life because someone was wearing a pink T-shirt and the perpetrator of the heinous crime should spend life in prison? The longer I live, the closer to an idiocracy, I think we become. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 894	Posted - 2015.02.10 20:20:04 - [29] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: But since you mention it, I find it odd that it's ok to encourage men to 'think like a woman' but at the same time not ok to expect women to adapt themselves to the male dominated gaming community they freely chose to join. The very idea that a group of people (who happen to mostly be men enjoying a hard core spaceship game made by honest to god freaking Icelandic Vikings) that isn't really hurting anyone needs to adapt itself to the emotional needs and norms of an oversensitive minority turns my stomach. You write as though you think you represent the majority of EVE. The majority is often silent and not loud mouths who argue and curse at each other. It only takes 2-3 guys showing how macho they are on comms and a lack of someone kicking them out to sour a channel of any size. Much like you, I and any third party in this thread without an ISD kicking us around and even that doesn't stop us. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 894	Posted - 2015.02.10 20:58:27 - [30] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: edit: to be clear, im not speaking for the majrotiy, Im saying that it's stupid to expect people to conform to someone else's norms just because they come in and say "I'm special as I lack Y chromosome". Now you are blathering on about how EVE must not be changed for a very extreme minority. My message is still simple: Kick immature people out of your corp / alliance, advertise that fact and you will have more women in your group. Kaely Tanniss wrote: ...I'm not sure if you're saying this to make a point, or taking a stab at me.. Applies a bandaid No stab! No stab! Adding to what you said. Rain6637 wrote: OK let's take a step back. How common is it for women to have a computer that is capable of running EVE. Aside from their boyfriend's computer. We are more than willing to help women with changing that as long as we get to brag about how fancy our machines are and how they will never afford them. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog

Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 897	Posted - 2015.02.11 02:27:32 - [31] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Primary This Rifter wrote: No, what makes you a shrill, whingy harpy is demanding that other people change their behavior instead of finding people who are ultimately going to be a better fit for you anyway. I'm going to save that quote and post it every time you do one of your shrill whiny posts demanding that other players cater to your personal vision of the game. I sense I'll be using it a lot. Mr Epeen I too shall save it but being one of the shrill, whingy harpies, I notice other people, especially particular individuals less. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 897	Posted - 2015.02.11 02:48:29 - [32] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Possibly because the thought that the person that beat you is also better looking and thinner than you are is just too much to handle. Not to mention the long luscious hair, the sparkling blue eyes, their exemplary taste in decorating, such as a pink room, glitter mouse, lace around their screen and using the same urinals as you. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 897	Posted - 2015.02.11 03:01:43 - [33] - Quote Sera Kor-Azor wrote: Firstly, how would you know whether a player was a female or not? Secondly, why should it matter? Thirdly, I remember the first day I joined Factional warfare. The word R-A-P-E was used quite frequently to describe defeat of one player by another. As a member of HER majesty's HOLY and righteous 'good guy' boy scout Militia, I took offense to this. Predictably, I was laughed at. So maybe, a female player has better things to do than listen to a bunch of teenaged boys blow up each other's pixel spaceships while listening to the word 'R-A-P-E' being used in such a casual and dismissive manner. I did meet one woman who quit not only EVE, but online video games in general specifically for this reason, namely the casual misogyny. You get enough of it in the workplace as well as the streets, you don't need to pay $20 a month to hear it in your own home as well. Good post. I used to tell people that I am an AI escaped from Google Labs and refused to give them any gender identification. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 899	Posted - 2015.02.11 05:35:28 - [34] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: I'm OK with women in EVE until they start tweeting about why they get so much attention, what's the problem, etc. Anyway, does anyone know why most women's femme avatars are ~~ugly? They of all people~~... ... less Hollywood fake looking? CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 899	Posted - 2015.02.11 05:49:29 - [35] - Quote There are some skinny neckbeards that forget to eat and their scraggly hair looks more like they glued it on from shavings they took from down below. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 899	Posted - 2015.02.11 06:55:18 - [36] - Quote Jeremiah Saken wrote: Rain6637 wrote: Anyway, does anyone know why most women's femme avatars are ugly? They of all people... Women don't compensate anything by making fake avatars? Every time i see those ti** large enough to fed dozens of babies all i see is man with problems. Can we start talking about how male avatars are often as macho, stern, angry and such as possible with the sharpest features? CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 900	Posted - 2015.02.11 07:09:24 - [37] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: I'm 6'2" and 205lbs, Of course you are. On a related note, I was Jesus in a past life. Truth. Mr Epeen On a related note, if I land up in CSM, you are going to know exactly, who I am. So, there is no point in false claims: I am 189 cm tall and weigh 80 kilograms. According to Google, that is (6 feet 2 13Güä32 inches) tall and 176.37 lbs. Considering where I come from and the general BMI there, that means I am 12 kgs or 26.4555 lbs under weight. I suppose you will also be able to trace the guy I rowed with and maybe get e-mail confirmation. At the very least, you should be able to find out that we were in the same rowing team. He got a silver at the Beijing Olympics and I tore my shoulder ligaments off my chest years prior to him achieving that. So, I am rather athletic. Do not get lulled by stereotypes. Physical prowess is really easy to achieve and maintain. Gamers are surprisingly average looking to most people. Now, to take the topic on a more scenic route: Just how well balanced and adjusted are we - to not only spend so much time on a game but to also waste huge amount typing pointlessly into a forum instead of going out and talking to girls face to face? CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 901	Posted - 2015.02.11 07:24:17 - [38] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: On a related note, I was Jesus in a past life. Truth. No. I know my son and you're not him. "Daddy, if all humans are your children, doesn't that make mummy your daughter and isn't that sinful?" CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 901	Posted - 2015.02.11 07:39:10 - [39] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: "Daddy, if all humans are your children, doesn't that make mummy your daughter and isn't that sinful?" I didn't really think this through too well did I? So, you acknowledge that I am your child? Can I have ISK pocket money? Am I one of the fallen angels that are also your children, who you love and who are punishing the naughty humans, so doing good work, while being called evil? I found your book pretty confusing and self contradictory as you can imagine! Can I have a signed copy? Can you print me one in something that won't burn? CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog
Jenshae Chiroptera The Volition Cult 902	Posted - 2015.02.11 08:02:38 - [40] - Quote Jessica Danikov wrote: It's always going to be down to a variety of things, some of them being what CCP and the community does wrong, and some of them being nothing you could ever hope to change, and those with an pre-existing agenda or bias are liable to use one of those against the other. However any constructive discussion in that area is prone to be drowned out both by extremists and saboteurs (controversial subjects being the easiest to sabotage). With an election coming up, the CSM is probably the best venue for such a discussion. If you have genuine concerns, posing questions to the candidates and voting for those who could fight for your viewpoints best is more likely to achieve any actual results than a quagmired forum thread. Stops laughing, coughs and puts on serious face. Okay, Firstly, there is no control by CCP over third party communication. Secondly, we could at least be able to invite each other's avatars into our captain's quarters to socialise "face to face" Thirdly, CCP can not code more maturity into the player based. It is the responsibility of group leaders to single out immature players and tell them their behaviour is not acceptable, grant women moderation abilities on third party communications and take internal disciplinary action. Finally, corporations could have an option to be searchable by various factors but this may back fire by singling them out as targets to attack, so again, community and word of mouth is probably the best solution. As ever, if there is any breaks in the EULA or TOS, do not hesitate to report them. If enough people come forward with their complaints then they need to be taken seriously and not dismissed as a few disgruntled people. CSM Ten movement for change. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. Status: Rabid carebear Blog

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